Identify Bike from motoscrubs photo page

[DesmoDog]

According to the description it's a 350SC factory racebike
http://www.madeinitalymotorcycles.com/S ... ist%20.htm

Frank Scurria would likely know about it.

As for the oil lines, from what I've heard the race bikes do that so the oil can drain back faster at high revs. Apparently high revs for a long time with the stock routing can lead to oil backing up in the head.

[miken5678]

well it appears the bike for sale down south of me that is listed for 600.. the owner is looking for 500. I am not sure if that is a deal or not looking at the condition. Seeing as I would being using mainly the frame and motor it might be a good starting place if the motor was ok.. however a few weeks ago a sebring in damn good condition went on cl for 1900. Tough call

I did look on cl and found a condor 350. Interesting bike and a way different frame. I would be tempted if the price is right. Noting some nice or rather user friendly improvements on the motor such as the dip stick and oil filter.

Is this oil filter an easy mod on either or both the wide and narrow cases?

[DesmoDog]

According to the description it's a 350SC factory racebike
http://www.madeinitalymotorcycles.com/S ... ist%20.htm

Frank Scurria would likely know about it.

I posted the link on the bevelheads list - Frank raced one in 1966.

Phil Aynsley photographed one also, here are more details if you're interested:
http://www.philaphoto.com/imageLibrary/ ... p?album=51

[DesmoDog]

well it appears the bike for sale down south of me that is listed for 600.. the owner is looking for 500. I am not sure if that is a deal or not looking at the condition. Seeing as I would being using mainly the frame and motor it might be a good starting place if the motor was ok.. however a few weeks ago a sebring in damn good condition went on cl for 1900. Tough call

I did look on cl and found a condor 350. Interesting bike and a way different frame. I would be tempted if the price is right. Noting some nice or rather user friendly improvements on the motor such as the dip stick and oil filter.

Is this oil filter an easy mod on either or both the wide and narrow cases?

If it were me I wouldn't consider a Condor unless it was CHEAP, and they never seem to be. IIRC they have a low compression piston and a few other less than performance oriented parts? I could be wrong but when I was looking, the price always ruled them out. I'm a little sleep deprived at the moment and the details are slipping my mind but the bottom line for me was the Condors weren't high on my list of potential candidates. I guess I missed the dipstick thing? All narrowcases have dipsticks...

I'd probably give the widecase scrambler a pass too. If you're infatuated with the grey bike, start with a narrowcase... I'd feel bad cutting the rear brace off a Scrambler frame too, which is what you'll do if you build a clone of the grey bike. Then again, the grey bike has the rear loop cut off so I guess it doesn't much matter what narrowcase frame you start with.

I'm not sure if the filter is an easy mod or not but it rarely if ever gets done so that should tell you something. Change the oil often and you'll be fine. Chances are the bike won't get miles on it fast enough to make the oil changes a hassle anyway.

[Eldert]

thats a SC factory racebike made in 1965 and 1966 . they where made in 250 and 350 cc
this seller claims only 6 were made . that is not correct
i have seen engine numbers in the mid 40s so 50 made is more likely

the 1965 model had a Mach 1 type tank and seat and very heavy Grimeca drumbrakes and 19 inch rims

the 1966 model had a long fiberglass tank and seat and Oldani front and rear drum brakes

the bike in the pictures has 66 model tank and brakes but a earlyer 65 engine number

these bikes are all collector items and are in the hands of collectors like Peter Calles and Jerry Dean

i think Jim has some pictures on his site of a 65 model

here is a 65 model from my friend Alan



Eldert

[kmev]

well it appears the bike for sale down south of me that is listed for 600.. the owner is looking for 500. I am not sure if that is a deal or not looking at the condition. Seeing as I would being using mainly the frame and motor it might be a good starting place if the motor was ok.. however a few weeks ago a sebring in damn good condition went on cl for 1900. Tough call

Food for thought - my narrowcase scrambler was in comparable condition to that one on craigslist, and the same price, too. The motor turned freely, but it didn't run.

I'll have about $3,000 into it by the time it's on the road this summer, including the purchase price of the bike. This is for making the bike mechanically sound and streetable - I haven't done anything cosmetic yet.

You can get a rideable bike cheaper than what I have into mine, but a running bike that is 40 years old is still a 40 year old bike and the motor is probably tired and needs a rebuild anyway if you want something reliable.

If you like project bikes, this one will keep you occupied quite awhile. A more complete bike is preferable, but the hunt for parts can be fun, too. Depends on what you're into.

[Eldert]

Phil Aynsley photographed one also, here are more details if you're interested:
http://www.philaphoto.com/imageLibrary/ ... p?album=51

the bike Phil photographed is a SCD . the riding testbed for the Desmo engines

a SC has a double craddle frame

here is another picture of a SCD that was for sale in Italy about 2 months ago
this one has the correct sandcast cases
this is SCD nr 17 from about 25 made



Eldert

[Eldert]

Whatever it is exactly, sure would like to see it torn-down!

__i d like to see exactly where that oil-feed line ends-up at!
I'm guessing that they routed the oil that way to provide cooler oil for the parts that receive it.
I'm in the dark on this. - (And don't like it!)


-Bob

Hi Bob
the oil feed goes to the top of the cilinderhead to get oil to the camshaft







this sandcast head is about 2 pounds heavier then a std item

Eldert

[miken5678]

well i got a call at 8am this morning and he wouldnt meet me halfway with the price. I realize it isnt a huge difference but I will give it a week and if he hasnt sold it through his craigslist route maybe I will get a call back. Just looking at the bike photos more and more tells me it was a well used bike and would def need a motor rebuild. From what I have heard this is a considerable price so finding a bike in decent condition could work out better in my favor. For example the last craigslist one i put an offer on was sold out from underneat me and some of you may have seen it. It was a sebring in great condition for 1900. Looked very sweet and was in philly. While i was rounding up shipping he sold it. Good timing.

I see another that popped up on craigs however it is in cali and I am sure the shipping is much more than the 200 from philly to fl like on the last bike. My search continues.

On the grey bike photo that i referenced earlier people reference the back loop being cut off which i see however someone noted another loop being removed. Is it one directly under the seat?

Also is there a reference area that notes the frame differences/types?

[Teckhardt]

As for the oil lines, from what I've heard the race bikes do that so the oil can drain back faster at high revs. Apparently high revs for a long time with the stock routing can lead to oil backing up in the head.

What is the clear line off the tach drive for?

On the grey bike photo that i referenced earlier people reference the back loop being cut off which i see however someone noted another loop being removed. Is it one directly under the seat?

Also is there a reference area that notes the frame differences/types?

On the scrambler frame the rear loop kicks up in the back. I think people are using removed and cut-off to mean the same thing. None of the rear loops just unbolt - that I know of.