A few more newbie questions on 450 Desmo engine

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Re: A few more newbie questions on 450 Desmo engine

Postby Jordan » Wed Sep 18, 2024 1:43 pm

Duccout wrote:I got that info from a book called 'Ducati Tuning' by Steven Eke, who used it to explain that heads should not be heated prior to removing valve guides. Just shows that you cannot believe what is written in books!

I just looked for the info online.

* All references I found say that phosphor bronze expands more than aluminium.* - Wrong

The above sentence was a dumb mistake: I meant Aluminium expands more than phosphor bronze, as I said earlier in this thread.

Ducati may not be unique in offering oversized guides but it did make me wonder why they would, until I read their suggested method for guide replacement. Hondas evidently don't normally need O/S guides.
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Re: A few more newbie questions on 450 Desmo engine

Postby Dave354 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:11 pm

Because I had to look it up…. Seems Aluminium expands more than phosphor bronze?
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Re: A few more newbie questions on 450 Desmo engine

Postby themoudie » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:32 pm

Aye Paul,
I like the idea of drilling then collapsing the guide but that would certainly mean removing and reshimming the camshaft and bevel drive.

Not necessary and adds to potential problems of the accuracy of concentricity of the guide bore to the valve seat, if your driling isn't square, or you damage the guide bore whilst collapsing the guide into the bore. :( Heating the head sufficiently and cooling the drift, as well as applying a lubricant to the guide, both when removing a guide from the head and when inserting a guide into the guide bore will help prevent the galling of the guide bore. Galling or the removal of metal from the valve guide hole bore, the metal removed being attached to the valve guide, means that the valve guide can be unstable in the bore hole and doesn't transmit heat away from the valve stem efficiently. So, the valve doesn't seal against its seat and also can overheat and sieze in the guide in the worst case scenario. :cry:

I'm sure shimming does require patience but I was under the impression that it also required knowledge and skill and I'm not sure I have those ....


Now's the time to learn! Everyday is a school day. ;)

Not sure I could use the K-liners as it's a desmo head.


It's a poppet valve cylinder head, the same as all other 4 stroke engine cylinder heads, with poppet valves controlling the flow of gases into and out of the combustion chamber in the cylinder head. K-Liners can be used in many poppet valve guides. The "desmo" part of the operation just changes the closing operation of the poppet valves from using a spring, to a forked rocker arm, controled by a cam, to pull the valve back onto its seat. The valve guides are exactly the same as those used in the wide case, valve spring headed singles.

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Re: A few more newbie questions on 450 Desmo engine

Postby Jordan » Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:20 pm

Dave354 wrote:Because I had to look it up…. Seems Aluminium expands more than phosphor bronze?


Yes!
I mistakenly got it completely the wrong way around in my previous message, since corrected.

Sorry folks.


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