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Dew Ca Tea Bob

Postby Ducati Dude » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:51 pm

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Yo Bob

Bro Jim posted pix of the Americano and the head in fotos

Thank you Bro Jim !! :shock:

As you can see , the head was totaled. The bottom of the motor

was run WITHOUT OIL and was also toast !!!!!

We returned the entire motor to the guy we got the Americano

from. He was so didgusted to see the inside of the motor

that he tossed the motor into the dumpster.

So, Bro Bob , we need your entire motor which we had DIBS ON FIRST

No one butt into this. The dude who calls dibs FIRST gets first .

Ducati Dude ( that's me ) called dibs FIRST.

Happy weekend to Bro Jim and everyone

Ducati Dude :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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DewCatTea Bob & his 200-motor

Postby DewCatTea-Bob » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:16 am

" The bottom of the motor was run WITHOUT OIL and was also toast !!!!!
We returned the entire motor to the guy we got the Americano
from. He was so didgusted to see the inside of the motor
that he tossed the motor into the dumpster. "

____ That's really too-bad (& somewhat stupid), as there were no-doubt still SOME parts which remained usable.


" So, Bro Bob , we need your entire motor which we had DIBS ON FIRST
The dude who calls dibs FIRST gets first .
Ducati Dude ( that's me ) called dibs FIRST. "

____ While it's been a while since I-MYSELF have read-through this w.site's member-rules, I'm still reasonably sure that none of us ever had to agree that anyone registered here must abide to any kind of "DIBS" type claims. _ And you might ought be glad about that because, you weren't actually the FIRST !
__ Also, even if I were in agreement that such claims carried significant validity, I've never indicated that ANYTHING in my possession is free for the taking !
I'm certain that if the particular 200-model that my 200-motor was associated with, were still complete, such a Duke-model would be worth at least 5000$-US. _ And it's my opinion that the motor of such is worth about half the total-value of the complete machine. _ So I'm thinking that my rare 200-motor alone, ought be worth about 80% of half of the entire Duke.
And also, I never indicated that my 200-motor was for-sale, in the first-place. _ And even if I were to be offered what I think it ought be worth, I'd still wish to also be in approval of the particular Duke-project that it's intended for.
So if this news curtails-down the recent/current interest in my odd 200-motor, that's really not unfavorable. _ (I'm not too interested in shipping it out, anyhow.)


Duke-Cheers,
-Bob
PLEASE NOTE... If this-post is not-yet signed-off with '-Bob', then I'm still in the process of completing it,, and if not also included with 'DCT' near bottom as well, then I may edit this post's wording at a later time. - Dct.Bob

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Bob & his 200-motor

Postby Ducati Dude » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:32 pm

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.Bob

Did you look at the pix of our Americano project that Bro Jim posted

on photos site ?

Ducati Dude

:? :? :?

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DewCatTea-Bob wrote:" The bottom of the motor was run WITHOUT OIL and was also toast !!!!!
We returned the entire motor to the guy we got the Americano
from. He was so didgusted to see the inside of the motor
that he tossed the motor into the dumpster. "

____ That's really too-bad (& somewhat stupid), as there were no-doubt still SOME parts which remained usable.


" So, Bro Bob , we need your entire motor which we had DIBS ON FIRST
The dude who calls dibs FIRST gets first .
Ducati Dude ( that's me ) called dibs FIRST. "

____ While it's been a while since I-MYSELF have read-through this w.site's member-rules, I'm still reasonably sure that none of us ever had to agree that anyone registered here must abide to any kind of "DIBS" type claims. _ And you might ought be glad about that because, you weren't actually the FIRST !
__ Also, even if I were in agreement that such claims carried significant validity, I've never indicated that ANYTHING in my possession is free for the taking !
I'm certain that if the particular 200-model that my 200-motor was associated with, were still complete, such a Duke-model would be worth at least 5000$-US. _ And it's my opinion that the motor of such is worth about half the total-value of the complete machine. _ So I'm thinking that my rare 200-motor alone, ought be worth about 80% of half of the entire Duke.
And also, I never indicated that my 200-motor was for-sale, in the first-place. _ And even if I were to be offered what I think it ought be worth, I'd still wish to also be in approval of the particular Duke-project that it's intended for.
So if this news curtails-down the recent/current interest in my odd 200-motor, that's really not unfavorable. _ (I'm not too interested in shipping it out, anyhow.)


Duke-Cheers,
-Bob

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Re: Dew Ca Tea Bob

Postby krupp13 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:24 pm

Bob,

I am glad to hear your thoughts on the value of your 200 motor. I am glad that I have a few to my name...especially at that value. Now just to build the correct bike around the rare motor...

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DewCatTea Bob & his 200-motor

Postby DewCatTea-Bob » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:30 pm

" I am glad to hear your thoughts on the value of your 200 motor. I am glad that I have a few to my name...especially at that value. "

____ Well let's not jump to such conclusions so quickly...
Back in the days (before 1976) when I was doing lots of 'wheeling & dealing' with all OHC-DUKEs, I would only take-in any 4-speed models with the intent of passing them on, as my interest had only ever been strong with just the 5-speed Duke-models ! _ That was a rather common & understandable attitude back in those days, but now (THESES DAYS), it's quite understandably reasonable that those older models are more collectable & more highly sought-after, thus possibly more valuable. _ But I'd assume that most OLD/past Dukers (like myself), still share the same old-attitude as myself and thus are not too interested in most of the old 200-models.
And there were a number of different 200-models (based on both the 'A' & 'B' motor-versions), which were never considered (back then) to be especially desirable, so therefore I sure would not mean to suggest that most all 200-motors are so valuable !
__ BUT, the rare older type-A example which I have, was kept by me only because it was considered to be the equivalent 200-version of a Mach-I build-version 250-motor. _ In other words, the more rare & desirable (Mark-III like) 200cc SPORT type version of the std.200-motor. _ Which is why I had decided to keep only THAT particular 200-motor (while always wishing to trade-off all my other 4-speed DUKEs).
When I first got the Duke that my 200-motor came in, I then checked it out to confirm the story that the motor was from a "200-Sport", and besides the 25mm-SSI that was on it, soon discovered that it also had the expected wild-cam & high-comp.piston as well, (thus confirming what it was claimed to be).
So I then decided to actually keep that much more desirable 200-motor ! _ (And installed another 4-speed motor into the Monza/Duke, to pass-onward.)
__ I really don't have any good idea of what more run-of-the-mill 200-models are worth. _ I certainly suspect that most any fairly complete/running common 200-model is now more valuable than a good/running 250-Monza -(which go for around 2k.$-US). _ And in any case, I-myself believe that the (runnable) motor of any complete Duke is worth roughly HALF of the value of the entire machine/bike/Duke.
So I'd thus expect that most any complete & runnable 200-motor ought be worth near $1000, providing there's a 200-Duke (minus motor) somewhere that such a 200-motor could be matched-up to, in order to bring the full-value up with. - (As neither a motor-less 200-Duke nor a 200-motor alone, is fully worth the 100% of HALF of a complete/entire 200-Duke.)
__ But once again, MY 200-motor is an extra-rare & desirable version, which is why I believe it to be a more valuable prospect. _ And so other 200-motor models ought not be considered within the same vane, and thus ought not be expected to be as desirable & as valuable, (as I've previously indicated).
Sorry to say !

____ Does anyone much disagree with my opinion that the motor is basically worth the same amount as the rest of the bike, (assuming that both motor AND the rest of the bike are in likewise condition).
For instance, a 1965 250-Monza which has sat on a showroom-floor since new, with less than 10-miles of use,, ought to get equal value-amounts for it's motor, and, for the rest of the bike. _ For example, if that showroom-new Monza/bike is worth $3500, then it's complete motor alone ought be worth about $1500 and the rest of the Duke worth about $1500, (all amounts roughly figured, of-course).
__ I of-course don't expect MY-own opinion to set the etching in stone, so it would be nice for us all to get a consensus on this thought-work, as to the value of a motor compared to the rest of a bike. - Do ya think I'm way-off ? _ If so, then what are your-own thoughts on this questionable subject ?
(In the distant-past, I-myself always valued the Duke-motor well above the rest of a DUCATI !)


Dukaddy-DUKEs,
-Bob
PLEASE NOTE... If this-post is not-yet signed-off with '-Bob', then I'm still in the process of completing it,, and if not also included with 'DCT' near bottom as well, then I may edit this post's wording at a later time. - Dct.Bob

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Re: Dew Ca Tea Bob

Postby joe46ho » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:55 am

Bob, I agree, actually I would ask more than 1k for any running duke engine (2 strokes excluded) By the way do you have any pics of the ss1 25, ive never even seen one, I guess it probably looks like a smaller ss1 27 d like what is on my 66' scr. Oh...and Im not trying to buy it, just curious... (for the record ;) )
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25mm SSI Del.carbs

Postby DewCatTea-Bob » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:35 am

" actually I would ask more than 1k for any running duke engine (2 strokes excluded) "

____ Somehow I-myself have never thought of any of the 2-stroke DUCATIs as being worthy of being referred to as a 'Duke' !


" By the way do you have any pics of the ss1 25, ive never even seen one, "

____ I have a good-friend who's intending to come-over & help me get-around to take a picture, so maybe soon.


" and Im not trying to buy it, just curious... "

____ I've only ever once seen a 25mm-SSI listed on eBay, it sold for over $500 !
__ Too bad that we don't have EVERY-single Duke-owner (there is in the world), registered here (with the rest of us), cuz then we'd much-better possibly know of who the buyer was and what project he had for that particular rare-25mm SSI-carb.
____ I've never considered myself to be an expert on the pre-250 OHC Duke-models, and was once told that the 25mm-SSI belonged to a 175-Sport model, and that the 200-version had a 27mm-SSI. _ But that info was never confirmed anywhere else for me, (and I have an older 200 parts-catalog which just shows only 24mm.Del-carbs)...
Does anybody-else know about these things ?


Hopeful-Cheers,
-Bob
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Re: Dew Ca Tea Bob

Postby joe46ho » Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:12 pm

Bob, I do not know, but I know who would for sure... Jerry Dean. I will make a note to ask him, I usually only see him at domiracer, on saturday around closing time (like right about now actually) im to busy to head down there today though...
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175/200 Sport-models & SSI-carb Sizes

Postby DewCatTea-Bob » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:01 pm

" but I know who would for sure... Jerry Dean.
I usually only see him at domiracer, "

____ I don't think I've ever known of him but unless he's someone who's has been well into DUCATIs considerably before myself, or anyone else (still alive) who has ever worked at DomiRacer, then I very much doubt that he would DEFINITELY KNOW absolutely for sure about such sketchy & obscure early information.
Back in the early '70s I knew of everyone who worked at DomiRacer, (such as John White), and even back THEN, no one was able to absolutely confirm for me what I had been told (by an older Duker) about SSI-carb.model sizes on the vary rare SPORT-type Duke-models.
I think it's possible that my 200S-motor may indeed have come stock with a 27mm-SSI because, after the fellow I got it from passed-away, I acquired most all of his prized collection of spare DUCATI-parts, and amongst the stuff was an older-type 27mm-SSI, (which I also still have). _ Since the fellow was certainly a true Duker (not just a mere biker), it makes sense that he would've chosen to keep the larger/('hotter') SSI-carb for himself.
__ I've never seen any picture of a stock 175 or 200 Sport-model showing a SSI-carb mounted, but have been told (long,long ago) that such SSI-models were what those early/rare sporty Duke-models came with.
Hopefully, your friend was once someone like myself* but was around 6-years ahead of myself (* being an extreme DUCATI-nut), in the 'know'.


Hopeful-Cheers,
-Bob

UPDATE: - I've now added a couple pix of the 25mm-SSI !
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Re: Bob & his 200-motor

Postby DewCatTea-Bob » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:45 am

Ducati Dude wrote:.
Bob
Did you look at the pix of our Americano project that Bro Jim posted
on photos site ?

____ No, as I haven't been able to obtain access to that section of the w.site lately.
What model-year is your 200-Americano ? _ Didn't it come with a later/type-B version of the 200-motor ?
__ Also, I've been wondering about just how many people "Ducati Dude" are, anyhow ?

____ BTW, I've since posted a couple pix of my 200-motor, found at bottom of my post at this link ... viewtopic.php?f=3&t=801&start=10#p5652


Duke-Cheers,
-Bob
PLEASE NOTE... If this-post is not-yet signed-off with '-Bob', then I'm still in the process of completing it,, and if not also included with 'DCT' near bottom as well, then I may edit this post's wording at a later time. - Dct.Bob


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