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Stray HT sparking

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:18 pm
by Geordie
I'm baffled with this one. Noticed it when trying to adjust tickover. I get a reading of 1ohm between battery neg > frame > engine cases > spark plug body > carb body or any combination of 2.

I don't think the video will load here so I've put it into dropbox. The share link is:-

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Any thoughts gratefully received!

Re: Stray HT sparking

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:17 pm
by ducwiz
Are you really sure that a low-resistance value reads between battery minus and the engine case?
Imho the engine is somehow electrically isolated from the frame and battery minus, so the spark's current doesn't see a low-resistance path to battery/engine case, hence a second spark is produced at the point of the closest sparkover distance. What happens when you pull the carb backwards a few milimeters?
You can check the faulty connection by putting a temporary cable connection between your engine case and the negative battery pole. If you do so, please report the result.

Hans

Re: Stray HT sparking

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:33 pm
by blethermaskite
Engine may be trying to earth itself through the throttle/choke cables? put a temporary jumper earth cable firmly connected to battery neg and an engine bolt/screw (not an engine to frame bolt) I think you have a dodgy earth path.
Cheers,
George

Re: Stray HT sparking

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:04 pm
by Jordan
External sparks so close to fuel is a seriously bad situation.

Re: Stray HT sparking

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:55 pm
by DBDBrian
I tend to think a dedicated earth is a must, too ensure a good connection.
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Re: Stray HT sparking

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:16 pm
by Geordie
blethermaskite wrote:Engine may be trying to earth itself through the throttle/choke cables? put a temporary jumper earth cable firmly connected to battery neg and an engine bolt/screw (not an engine to frame bolt) I think you have a dodgy earth path.
Cheers,
George


Agree, the carb is on a plastic sleeve so only conductor is via cable.

Re: Stray HT sparking

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:25 pm
by Geordie
ducwiz wrote:Are you really sure that a low-resistance value reads between battery minus and the engine case?
Imho the engine is somehow electrically isolated from the frame and battery minus, so the spark's current doesn't see a low-resistance path to battery/engine case, hence a second spark is produced at the point of the closest sparkover distance. What happens when you pull the carb backwards a few milimeters?
You can check the faulty connection by putting a temporary cable connection between your engine case and the negative battery pole. If you do so, please report the result.

Hans


I borrowed a new Fluke with 1/10th Ohm division. Battery neg to spark plug reads 0.0 / 0.1 Ohm. With jumper cable from battery neg to head fin is the same.

To help matters along, the sparking has now stopped.

Re: Stray HT sparking

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:44 pm
by Geordie
DBDBrian wrote:I tend to think a dedicated earth is a must, too ensure a good connection.P1080017.JPG


Yes, I'll think on a retro-fit.