Re: Ignition advance curves
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:03 pm
" Again, I appreciate your input however I do not appreciate your tone/response in this last paragraph. "
____ Well it seems that I need to clear-up some things...
__ First, it's always my intent (naturally) that my posts are to be taken pretty-much fairly-neutrally, and thus any "tone" is only in-the-eye-of-the-beholder and if any reader takes any of my wording in any negative-light at all, then that was not intended & is the reader's own fault. _ I can only say I'm sorry that my wording has left any particular person (unintentionally!) upset in any way.
__ Also, it needs to be realized that my response-postings are almost never directed back towards the poster himself who's words I've quoted, and that his words were usually just quoted for the purpose of being used as a spring-board to introduce what has inspired me to carry-on about.
And whenever I do intend to 'reply' back to the person who's words I've quoted, I then use the word "you", as opposed to "ya" - which is meant to be directed at the general-reader (rather than any particular person!).
__ So I'm sorry that it seems that you did not seem to realize these things.
" The intentions were to answer questions and gather information from users that have either used the setups above or could identify more through word of mouth, personal usage or someone they know currently using the setup to give at least myself or other readers firsthand experience if they wanted to so chose this route. "
____ I did understand that that was the spirit of your intent for starting this thread, and since my old self has nothing to offer on that, I can only wait & hope for some enlightening-info to come & get posted on such desired (modern)- subject-matter ! _ And I sure would not disagree that it's fine to seek any experience that others may have discovered from THEIR choices of all there is of such to be found out-there !
__ I certainly do indeed agree that the science of ignition-timing must have come a long ways since the '60s (or even over the last 20-years), and that it offers genuine improvement. _ And it would be quite nice to be able to apply any of it to our DUKEs !
__ It was just your later follow-up posting that inspired me to offer my OPINION that any differences out-there between all the various alternate ign.advance-curves, is relatively quite insignificant. _ Since ANY one of them is not likely to provide much more than 2% more efficiency than a stock DUCATI's at any particular RPM. _ So to be concerned about which one of them would be best for a DUKE which employs the smaller-type valves -(for example), is simply 'splitting-hairs'.
If there was some magic ign.advance-curve out-there which provided some new kind of great-gain of any kind, then I'd be all-over-it and would be telling ya all about it !
__ I have lots of experience from (the old-days) when I'd also be excited about new things which were supposed to make my DUKE run better in some way or another, but, everything ya try-out just ends-up with such a small change, that ya coudn't really tell any difference and would probably need to do before-&-after dyno-testing in order to confirm whether or not there was indeed any real improvement.
I know of the feeling of the high-hopes for improving my DUKE to become better in some neat way, but I'm just no longer able to get much excited that way anymore.
Sorry if MY found reality has tended to burst-your-bubble !
" Not imply within the thread that only some expert would be the only one to carry the weight necessary to continue the discussion in regards to your timing response.
and the point of these threads and website in general is to leave them open to discussion and input and not come away with a last statement so close minded where only a "And if there's any REAL -( bona-fide/bonified) " expert can continue. "
____ WOW! _ Now here I really feel the need to point-out that you've certainly got me WRONG on that (way off-base!) notion of yours! ...
I had absolutely no intent what-so-ever to cap-off (or even slightly subdue) any further discussions within this thread by proclaiming that the subject need not be discussed further by anyone other than experts !! _ Furthermore, I can't really understand how ANYone could've come to that conclusion or even the notion of such an idea ! ...
I was simply seriously-trying to prod any such expert to come forth & try to educate us about even the smallest advantage that any non-stock ign.advance-curve might possibly provide !! _ As I myself also would really like to KNOW, as well ! - (And not merely accept manufactures' [ likely exaggerated! ] 'claimed' statements.)
__ It never seems to fail to amaze me how written-English continually fails to prevent so many people as it does,, from twisting/inserting their very own-spin, somehow taken from the original written-wording which had been written by another !
We should all try to realize that when-ever we read something for the very FIRST-time, which SEEMS to be making a statement that doesn't quite make perfect sense, that we should then consider that possibly our 'mind-set' may be out-of-sync with whatever is actually trying to be conveyed by the writer's choice of wording,, and try reading it again later (or have someone-else read it to ya), so that ya don't jump-the-gun (with your first-impression), before ya get a chance to PROPERLY understand the correct jest/drift of what the writer of what you've read, had actually meant to state & convey !
(Although I must admit that during these-days [while I myself am still trying to help improve on our written-word so as to hopefully increase correct-understanding], there's so many writers who's written-English is so very,very-poor, that it's a wonder that anyone properly understands anything that's written by anybody, anymore ! _ (I think it's likely been caused by so many people these-days who use so much 'chat-typing', that they can no longer grasp/understand sentences with more than a half-dozen words.) _ It's a SSOAs!
Hopeful-Cheers,
DCT-Bob
____ Well it seems that I need to clear-up some things...
__ First, it's always my intent (naturally) that my posts are to be taken pretty-much fairly-neutrally, and thus any "tone" is only in-the-eye-of-the-beholder and if any reader takes any of my wording in any negative-light at all, then that was not intended & is the reader's own fault. _ I can only say I'm sorry that my wording has left any particular person (unintentionally!) upset in any way.
__ Also, it needs to be realized that my response-postings are almost never directed back towards the poster himself who's words I've quoted, and that his words were usually just quoted for the purpose of being used as a spring-board to introduce what has inspired me to carry-on about.
And whenever I do intend to 'reply' back to the person who's words I've quoted, I then use the word "you", as opposed to "ya" - which is meant to be directed at the general-reader (rather than any particular person!).
__ So I'm sorry that it seems that you did not seem to realize these things.
" The intentions were to answer questions and gather information from users that have either used the setups above or could identify more through word of mouth, personal usage or someone they know currently using the setup to give at least myself or other readers firsthand experience if they wanted to so chose this route. "
____ I did understand that that was the spirit of your intent for starting this thread, and since my old self has nothing to offer on that, I can only wait & hope for some enlightening-info to come & get posted on such desired (modern)- subject-matter ! _ And I sure would not disagree that it's fine to seek any experience that others may have discovered from THEIR choices of all there is of such to be found out-there !
__ I certainly do indeed agree that the science of ignition-timing must have come a long ways since the '60s (or even over the last 20-years), and that it offers genuine improvement. _ And it would be quite nice to be able to apply any of it to our DUKEs !
__ It was just your later follow-up posting that inspired me to offer my OPINION that any differences out-there between all the various alternate ign.advance-curves, is relatively quite insignificant. _ Since ANY one of them is not likely to provide much more than 2% more efficiency than a stock DUCATI's at any particular RPM. _ So to be concerned about which one of them would be best for a DUKE which employs the smaller-type valves -(for example), is simply 'splitting-hairs'.
If there was some magic ign.advance-curve out-there which provided some new kind of great-gain of any kind, then I'd be all-over-it and would be telling ya all about it !
__ I have lots of experience from (the old-days) when I'd also be excited about new things which were supposed to make my DUKE run better in some way or another, but, everything ya try-out just ends-up with such a small change, that ya coudn't really tell any difference and would probably need to do before-&-after dyno-testing in order to confirm whether or not there was indeed any real improvement.
I know of the feeling of the high-hopes for improving my DUKE to become better in some neat way, but I'm just no longer able to get much excited that way anymore.
Sorry if MY found reality has tended to burst-your-bubble !
" Not imply within the thread that only some expert would be the only one to carry the weight necessary to continue the discussion in regards to your timing response.
and the point of these threads and website in general is to leave them open to discussion and input and not come away with a last statement so close minded where only a "And if there's any REAL -( bona-fide/bonified) " expert can continue. "
____ WOW! _ Now here I really feel the need to point-out that you've certainly got me WRONG on that (way off-base!) notion of yours! ...
I had absolutely no intent what-so-ever to cap-off (or even slightly subdue) any further discussions within this thread by proclaiming that the subject need not be discussed further by anyone other than experts !! _ Furthermore, I can't really understand how ANYone could've come to that conclusion or even the notion of such an idea ! ...
I was simply seriously-trying to prod any such expert to come forth & try to educate us about even the smallest advantage that any non-stock ign.advance-curve might possibly provide !! _ As I myself also would really like to KNOW, as well ! - (And not merely accept manufactures' [ likely exaggerated! ] 'claimed' statements.)
__ It never seems to fail to amaze me how written-English continually fails to prevent so many people as it does,, from twisting/inserting their very own-spin, somehow taken from the original written-wording which had been written by another !
We should all try to realize that when-ever we read something for the very FIRST-time, which SEEMS to be making a statement that doesn't quite make perfect sense, that we should then consider that possibly our 'mind-set' may be out-of-sync with whatever is actually trying to be conveyed by the writer's choice of wording,, and try reading it again later (or have someone-else read it to ya), so that ya don't jump-the-gun (with your first-impression), before ya get a chance to PROPERLY understand the correct jest/drift of what the writer of what you've read, had actually meant to state & convey !
(Although I must admit that during these-days [while I myself am still trying to help improve on our written-word so as to hopefully increase correct-understanding], there's so many writers who's written-English is so very,very-poor, that it's a wonder that anyone properly understands anything that's written by anybody, anymore ! _ (I think it's likely been caused by so many people these-days who use so much 'chat-typing', that they can no longer grasp/understand sentences with more than a half-dozen words.) _ It's a SSOAs!
Hopeful-Cheers,
DCT-Bob