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				Frame ID Plate
				Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:53 pm
				by Cam3512
				Anyone out there have a stamp kit and willing to stamp a new ID tag with my bike's numbers?   I'm doing a restoration, and don't really want to invest in the stamp kit for one-time use.  Is there a vintage Ducati business that does this? 
Cam
			 
			
					
				Re: Frame ID Plate
				Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:20 pm
				by Eldert
				if you do a 100% restoration the foil tag should be done on a IBM Selectric typewriter .
that how the original tag was done .  i dont know what fond  was used
Regards Eldert
			 
			
					
				Re: Frame ID Plate
				Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:52 pm
				by Cam3512
				Not a 100% correct restoration.
			 
			
					
				Re: Frame ID Plate
				Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:31 pm
				by DucRedux
				Can't get much less expensive than this: 
http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsea ... =stamp+kitThe foil tag on my 450 MK3 curled, split and pulled off sometime after 1974, but I kept it.  Some day, during the next restoration,  I may apply a replica with the above stamp kit but it is a low priority item.  
I just checked on Selectric typewriters and IBM introduced them in 1961, so they were in use during the era.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Frame ID Plate
				Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:54 pm
				by SubaruPaul
				Ooops , sorry , missed that Eldert didn't know which font.
You'll still find the occasional Selectrics out there for foil , etc. where a heavy strike is necessary.
I repaired them up to around 1990.
			 
			
					
				Re: Frame ID Plate
				Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:56 pm
				by DucRedux
				Piling on the minutiae, I took to measuring the type on my loose ID tag and the height of the characters is I/8 inch (0.125 in or 3.2 mm).
This website was very helpful in locating the font: 
http://www.selectric.org/selectric/The best match for the type font is "Delegate", probably 12 point.  The example of which is found not in the Selectric balls mentioned, but in the manual referenced for alternate suppliers.  Several types are very similar and one can go blurry-eyed  looking for differences in the characters, such as open or closed "4s" , with or without a base.   Seems to me that Berliner Motor's secretaries probably shared typing duties.  Was more than one typewriter used -who knows ?
If other forum members can check their ID foils against the above guide, maybe we can take some of the guesswork out of making replicas.  My tag is from 1974, what is the type from earlier years?
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Frame ID Plate
				Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:25 pm
				by nalimugmug
				Hi,
I acquired a  1965/6 Mach 1 from the USA many moons ago, for some reason this bike had both the frame idents behind the battery down tube and the foil tag behind the headlight on the steering race.
 
I've restored the bike but in doing so did not reattach the original foil.
Somewhere! I still have this foil, if I can find it I will if you wish attach a picture of it so you can have an idea of what I have. Let me know
PM me if you wish.
Cheers
Bob-England
			 
			
					
				Re: Frame ID Plate
				Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:05 pm
				by nalimugmug
				Hi again,
Cant find the foil at this time-pic attached from ages ago-not the best quality
Bob
			 
			
					
				Re: Frame ID Plate
				Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:45 pm
				by nalimugmug
				Found it!
The eagle eyed will notice that where this foil came from a Mach 1, M3 is typed in, dont ask me why?
Pic of finished bike-ish,downtube ident and engine number  from the bike which originally had this foil.
Hope this helps
Bob