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Re: Mikuni VM24

Postby Duccout » Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:28 am

I have to agree with George. You do not know what your engine is, so it could be a Sebring or Mk 3 or Scrambler, and the carb size will depend on what state of tune the engine is in and how you are going to use it. I would think that a 28mm would be a good choice for a Sebring for gentle use, a 30mm for Mk 3 or Scrambler for something a bit more go and for outright power a 32mm. A 24mm is very small for a 350.

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Re: Mikuni VM24

Postby Mark3Cam » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:56 pm

Duccout wrote:I have to agree with George. You do not know what your engine is, so it could be a Sebring or Mk 3 or Scrambler, and the carb size will depend on what state of tune the engine is in and how you are going to use it. I would think that a 28mm would be a good choice for a Sebring for gentle use, a 30mm for Mk 3 or Scrambler for something a bit more go and for outright power a 32mm. A 24mm is very small for a 350.

Colin


Really appreciate all the input, shame I ordered a rebuild kit for the VM 24 already. Yeah the frame numbers lined the bike up with likely being a 68 Mark 3 but the engine numbers make it a 72 350 and I guess not much to go as to what that would have come out of. Regardless all signs point to a VM30 to save myself some grief! On the upside it will save me rebuilding a carb ;)

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Re: Mikuni VM24

Postby Mark3Cam » Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:51 am

Thanks for the advice boys - have a VM30 on the way

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Re: Mikuni VM24

Postby LaceyDucati » Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:46 am

You don't say which model your 350 is, I suspect it is a narrowcase 350 if someone has fitted a VM24mm. The original carb on a 350 Sebring is a Dellorto UB24BS and the VM24 would be a suitable replacement for original if you only require original performance. The Sebring has a small inlet port and a 28 or 30mm carb will be to large without modification to the porting. The Sebring is a "cooking" model and the performance will be fine for it's needs on a 24mm carb. Carb size will depend on model, port size and desired performance and use.

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Re: Mikuni VM24

Postby George » Wed Mar 23, 2022 9:30 pm

Would not the full engine number give you an idea of model and year. I have some info in Ian Falloon's book of overhead camshaft singles. Can never be sure head is original but measuring diameter of inlet tract will give you maximum carb size.
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Re: Mikuni VM24

Postby Mark3Cam » Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:27 am

LaceyDucati wrote:You don't say which model your 350 is, I suspect it is a narrowcase 350 if someone has fitted a VM24mm. The original carb on a 350 Sebring is a Dellorto UB24BS and the VM24 would be a suitable replacement for original if you only require original performance. The Sebring has a small inlet port and a 28 or 30mm carb will be to large without modification to the porting. The Sebring is a "cooking" model and the performance will be fine for it's needs on a 24mm carb. Carb size will depend on model, port size and desired performance and use.

Regards Nigel


Engine was identified on here as a widecase and the gland nut suggested it was a ‘72.
Inlet is 30mm but by the time I factor wall thickness on neck of spigot on the Mikuni It measures out to a hair under 32mm so a VM30 should work….here’s some pictures of the engine for those that hadn’t seen it, along with number.
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Re: Mikuni VM24

Postby Mark3Cam » Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:34 am

Here’s where my bike and it’s numbers fit in the list, from my first inquiries into figuring out what I had. My frame remains a mystery….
My bike is the first one listed in red
The engine model stamp was mostly ground off but was able to read a 350 in there faintly

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Re: Mikuni VM24

Postby ducwiz » Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:31 pm

Engine was identified on here as a widecase and the gland nut suggested it was a ‘72.


If "gland nut" denotes the feedthrough for the alternator cable, this engine should be idntified as a '73/74 model. This type of gland nut, the large brass or bronze version with a single hole-rubber grommet , was used with the Motoplat alternator/ignition systems. Ducati sytems used the same nut, but a dual-hole grommet. The cases for the earlier alternator used with the points ignition came with a nut with smaller thread, and made of black bakelite.
Refer to parts catalog:

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Re: Mikuni VM24

Postby LaceyDucati » Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:31 pm

It wasn't obvious from the post that this was a W/C. It's obviously from these pictures it's W/C probably circa 1973 and a 24mm carb is too small relative to the port size. A strange choice of carb for the previous owner.

The port has obviously been modified in some way if it is close to 32mm. The largest standard port on a spring valve W/C single is 29mm. As you say a 30mm carb should work OK.

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Re: Mikuni VM24

Postby Jordan » Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:43 pm

ducwiz wrote: The cases for the earlier alternator used with the points ignition came with a nut with smaller thread, and made of black bakelite.

It might be worth noting that a Motoplat CDI type alternator also can be used with the smaller type gland nut/crankcase.


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