New here.. VIN questions

[single-junk]

Hello everyone, just joined up.
From what I've seen so far, great site!

Anyhow, I've recently come into a few Ducati's and a Jawa on a deal with a friend (the jawa is being tucked away for the time being.. should be a high-end project and I just don't have that kind of cash right now )

The Ducati's are: 250 Monza, 250 Scrambler, and a 160 Monza Junior. I have no idea right now on their model years, but from some info I've already found here I should be able to work that out soon.

The issue I'm kind of worried about is the lack of VIN plates.. I realize they were just stickers orginally, so I'm assuming this is pretty common.
I live in the GTA (greater Toronto area, Canada) and I'm worried about issues with titleing a bike that's missing it's VIN.

My question: is it possible to remanufacture a VIN number from frame and engine serial No. ? I've seen those reman vin plates on ebay, so I've got my fingers crossed here..

[JimF]

Here in the United States, titleing varies by State.

In Illinois where I live getting a vehicle title has become much more difficult than ever. In most cases it takes a title to get a title, in other words you have to show up at an Illinois DMV facility with a title for the vehicle that you are going to transfer to your ownership.

The State of Illinois recognizes that on vehicles of this era the VIN numbers are nowhere near the standard VIN numbers assigned today One of my 250s has a title whose VIN is the engine serial number. Another 250 has a frame stamp (but this is rare) and that number was used for its VIN number. This has never been an issue, they DMV workers never say anything about it.

I would suspect Canada recognizes that old vehicles have odd VIN numbers and I doubt that they are going to care about a glued on foil tag that fell off years ago. And by the way those foil tags are being reproduced so you could buy one and stamp it with anything you want.

I think your bigger challenge is not what number you are going to submit as the VIN but rather the proof of ownership that having a title conveys. You may need to somehow prove the vehicles have been sold or otherwise transferred to you and are not stolen. Giving the government agency a VIN will allow someone to check that you didn't steal it or buy a stolen bike, but who know what was used for the VIN number last time it was on the street...

Maybe you will have to title them from scratch if Canada allows you that option. I would guess that each bike would have to be inspected for road-worthiness and legal compliance (lights, horn, etc.) so as to re-title them.



Jim

[benduc]

try this website to recover types and framenumbers

http://www.bevelheaven.com/data-single.htm


Benduc
1 finished and 2 projects Monza 160

[single-junk]

One of my 250s has a title whose VIN is the engine serial number. Another 250 has a frame stamp (but this is rare) and that number was used for its VIN number.

Jim

Ok, I've found frame stamps on both my 250's.. good to know I can use that for a VIN; makes things a lot easier.

The retitling may be a little tricky.. I haven't lived in Ontario long, so I'm definitely going to have to look into that a bit more yet.